Retin A Under Eyes

International Organization for Standardization Retin A Under Eyes, There are some important questions regarding OOXML’s upcoming ISO bid that Microsoft cannot answer or just simply won’t. From 25-29 February 2008 in Geneva, Switzerland, the ISO community will hold a Ballot Resolution Meeting (BRM) of the National Boards to discuss and vote finally on OOXML as an ISO standard. This article raises questions that Microsoft should answer to the satisfaction of the ISO community as part of the deliberation leading up to the BRM vote.


Today our society depends upon an enormous variety of software applications and easy access to information in order to function on a day-to-day basis. Everyone knows the pain of moving office documents around. There is a level of interoperability that is missing in today's world, and OOXML's adoption will just perpetuate and worsen this problem. And we all want interoperability, Retin A Under Eyes. We also all want the ability to implement a standard. A standard that can be neither implemented nor used is useless.


Open Standards represent a democratic ideal, which means accountability. 30mg Retin A Under Eyes, When one proposes one's own property to become an ISO standard, we have a right to know all the answers before we vote you in.


Martin BryanAt Left: Highly respected Martin Bryan. As outgoing Conveyor of ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 WG1 he accused MS of stacking his group and said, "The days of open standards development are fast disappearing. Retin A Under Eyes, Instead we are getting 'standardization by corporation,' something I have been fighting against for the 20 years I have served on ISO committees."

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As it currently stands, for the ISO community to adopt OOXML as a standard would be the first step toward our cherished Open Internet and Open Standards becoming an asset on the balance sheet of just one company, Microsoft. Recall that Microsoft was held liable by the US government and the EU as a proven monopolist, which illegally leveraged that monopoly to stifle competition. Here are some of the unresolved questions regarding OOXML that Microsoft cannot or simply will not answer:



  • What will be the default file format of Office 14 (Office 2009). Will it be identical to that described in Ecma-376. We don't know, because Microsoft is not providing us with a clear roadmap. Further more, there appears to be a very real question as to whether or not MS's covenant not to sue applies only to the current implementation, MS Office 2007, if you read the fine print, Retin A Under Eyes. Where is Microsoft taking the world with OOXML. We just don't know.

  • As part of the comment disposition process in JTC1, 20mg Retin A Under Eyes, Microsoft is proposing to make thousands of changes to the Ecma-376 specification. When will we see a version of MS Office that implements all of the revised specification. Currently, not one single version of Microsoft Office is capable of actually implementing the OOXML specification.

  • Thousands of changes are being made to OOXML as part of the JTC1 comment resolution process. Retin A Under Eyes, Is MS going to implement those changes, and if so, and how?

  • We have the OOXML "standard" and we have the MS-OOXML "reality", what Microsoft Office actually writes out. It is known, for example, that MS-OOXML can contain scripts, macros and DRM, features that are not documented at all in the OOXML specification. What other features are output by MS Office but not described in the OOXML specification?

  • The Microsoft Open Specification Promise (http://www.microsoft.com/interop/osp/default.mspx) says that it only covers things that are "described in detail and not merely referenced in such Specification." What are the technologies that are not covered by the OSP, Retin A Under Eyes usa, the technologies that Microsoft believes are not described in detail or are merely referenced. What is shown in the OSP simply reinforces that the whole OOXML spec cannot be implemented. Rather than this vague language, why doesn't Microsoft give an explicit list?

  • What comments from the general public did Ecma TC45 receive during its review period in Ecma. Why have these public comments been suppressed?

  • If Microsoft Office "Open" XML is truly "open," why is it that the OOXML specification is tied so heavily to only one vendor's products, as opposed to 40 applications currently capable of supporting the ODF specification?

  • OOXML still has many technical shortcomings, as failed tests demonstrate, Retin A Under Eyes. A couple of examples:

    1) Excel 2007 can produce a fully binary file format that has the same extension as OOXML for spreadsheets, so the application knows what is inside, but the user will never be privy to that information, absent specific accommodation from Microsoft on a case-by-case basis, which is an accommodation that Microsoft is unlikely to grant to the public at large; 2) try setting a password on an OOXML spreadsheet file from Office 2007. The document is no longer in OOXML format and the user is given no indication that they are no longer in a documented file format. Is OOXML ready to be an International Standard?

  • From the overall document contents, it is acutely clear that no effort has been made in OOXML to start from the existing ISO standard for the representation of documents in XML, 100mg Retin A Under Eyes. (The current standard is ODF 1.0, formally known as ISO/IEC 26300:2006). Retin A Under Eyes, OOXML is unneeded and only harmful. Why did MS embark on this deliberate departure from an internationally recognized standard?

  • If you read through the draft submitted to ECMA and ISO you will see MS has only disclosed a disabled subset of the markup and functionality of its new file formats. Lots of elements designed into OOXML are left undefined in the specification and require behaviors upon document files that only Microsoft Office applications can provide. Why. Also, when MS released the feature RTF format for interoperability initially in OOXML, it supported both read and write capabilities in Office. But they changed that so Office 2007 can receive OOXML files but will only "Write" now to a different file format, Retin A Under Eyes. Why did MS make this change?

  • In addition to the "open specification promise," Microsoft should change the licensing scheme for any relevant current patents which can be used to extend OOXML. 150mg Retin A Under Eyes, Those patents should be made available under a license which is clearly compatible with GPL and LGPL. This licensing schema should apply to future relevant Microsoft patents, too. Will Microsoft make its relevant patents legally valid for Open Source use.

  • The name "Office Open XML" is often mistakenly called "Open Office XML" implying a non-existent connection to the OpenOffice.org project. Retin A Under Eyes, This naming confusion has been documented and has occurred numerous times, including by analysts and even in Microsoft press releases and blogs. Since "OpenOffice.org " is the pre-existing name, by 6 years, Ecma should choose a new name, less apt to continue this confusion. Will Microsoft make this change as a condition of gaining ISO status for OOXML. Don't hold your breath.

  • The Open Specification Promise that covers OOXML explicitly covers only the "Ecma 376" version of the standard. However, thousands of changes are being made to OOXML as part of the JTC1 comment resolution process, 500mg Retin A Under Eyes. Are these changes covered as well?

  • While Microsoft originally made assurances that the ISO would take control of the standard if it were approved, Microsoft has now reversed that position and will keep near-full control over OOXML within ECMA [PDF], an industry group that exists to advocate its members interests, Retin A Under Eyes. Since the development and standardization of OOXML has been opaque, what guarantee will MS make to assure those activities will be done in an open setting in the future, including changes to MS Office as they are made which have direct effect on the format. Will Microsoft fulfill their promise to transfer stewardship, control and ownership of OOXML over to ISO, a promise made they made publicly and repeatedly?

  • There's a limit to what you can do with metadata. Working with RDF is nice, but custom XML schemas are the complete opposite of interoperability. Custom schemas break interoperability as they are by definition not shared by everybody or every organization. Retin A Under Eyes, It thus condemns documents containing custom XML schemas to be manipulated and shared only by the users who have access to those custom XML schemas (typically inside one organization, generating maintenance problems for the future). How can the ISO community ever be assured that OOXML will interoperate with the established ISO standard?

  • Many countries, 40mg Retin A Under Eyes, including Thailand, expressed that they had no time to review the MS OOXML Spec during the Fast Track process. Other countries combined submitted thousands and thousands of comments. Yet only a small percentage of those comments will be addressed at the BRM, and all of those comments to be addressed will be technical comments only. When will comments on IPR, ISO policies/goals and JTC1 “contradiction” be resolved if not at the BRM. These countries deserve a resolution, Retin A Under Eyes. Will they be resolved in an open and transparent fashion?

  • MS claims that MS Office can support arbitrary user-supplied XML schemas. If that is really true, then the established ISO standard ODF's schema could be loaded into Office 2007 and future versions natively, with an ODF option as default and the cloaking of OOXML as a standard dropped. Why not?


Information and communication technology (ICT) devices are able to exchange information only if they adhere to common communication protocols, technical interfaces, Retin A Under Eyes india, and information formats. We all desire the freedom and ability to develop, and implement these ICT's. We all feel the need for ICT within the same field to be able to interchange data efficiently.


OOXML demonstrates a "standard" Microsoft hurried through ECMA and appears to be nothing more than a rubber-stamp of one vendor's product specification. Retin A Under Eyes, Microsoft's OOXML is nothing more than a format Microsoft created by running a program that spits out the guts of MS Office in an XML form. Now MS appears to have realized this and expressed the “Intent” to deprecate features in the future. Microsoft appears to think it is best to get rid of references to legacy formats and other proprietary technology in experimental Version 1.


The trend is that Microsoft is opening up the boring legacy bits of OOXML, in stupefying detail, while neglecting to document the pieces actually needed for interoperability at a competitive level, like macros, scripting, Retin A Under Eyes uk, encryption, etc. In essence, Microsoft is opening up and releasing the file format information that competitors like OpenOffice.org have already figured out on their own, while still at the same time restricting access to the information needed to compete. And the more MS realizes it has to open up the specification, deprecate and modernize OOXML, what do you get. You get XML, Retin A Under Eyes. XML is XML. Strip out the non-XML garbage from OOXML and you will have the OpenDocument Format.


We need for MICROSOFT TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. Rather than hiding all the information we need and trying to cloak OOXML as ODF, we ask Microsoft to please get off the sinking ship, Retin A Under Eyes us, collaborate with the global community (which will welcome Microsoft) and help develop one universal file format for all. Long term, Microsoft can only benefit from cooperating with the market!


To our readers outside Microsoft's walls, we ask that you please consider contacting the National Board in your country, and request complete resolution for all issues raised by the comments to Microsoft's OOXML ISO application. Please be sure to insist that both the technical and non-technical issues be completely resolved as a pre-condition before OOXML is granted ISO status. You can find your delegates here: http://www.noooxml.org/delegations


An ISO standards vote is an open process. You are entitled to express your opinion. Remember a YES vote for OOXML is a vote against democracy and the freedom of choice.


By Russell, Charles-H Schulz of http://standardsandfreedom.net/ and

Lars Nooden


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23 responses to “Retin A Under Eyes”

  1. Roy Schestowitz

    That’s an excellent article. What would be nice to see is Microsoft replying to some of these articles, rather than attempting to dust it all of and attempting to keep them out of sight/visibility.

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  3. RlillySR

    Remember also that Office 2007 contains a lot of new code also not in the ECMA SPEC, the migration code for migrating old files to new file format like .xls to .xlsx, and there is a lot of potential holes there and security problems. This is also something MS does not talk about.

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  5. Stephane Rodriguez

    A few suggestions I would like to add.

    The XML proposed in OOXML is not a general purpose language for Office documents. The whole point of XML is to design it in such a way that it interoperates with applications out there, including those which don’t exist yet. Therefore that XML should be designed in such a way, and those in the trenches should be able to find clues about that. Problem : there is no such clue, because it’s really a poor XML. A good example I like to come up with is that there is a gazillion ways to describe text formattings (no less than 6 for Excel spreadsheets alone). Microsoft designed a bad XML that puts the burden on implementors who will spend their time on those details rather than productive time bridging it with applications across platforms. That’s why it should be rejected : it does not really benefit anyone except Microsoft. And even that remains (Microsoft is the sole benefitor) to be seen : from my own personal experience of Office file formats, it appears that nothing in OOXML will help create the next big things coming for Office (those that I see coming given what the workplace is moving towards).

    Another thing that should be reminded is that having to spend so much time on details because OOXML is poorly designed is just the tip of the iceberg. The reality is that we already have two OOXML variants, and two more are coming when Office 2009 ships.
    - OOXML 1.0 (i.e. ECMA 376 today)
    - Office 2007 (i.e. OOXML 1.0 + all undocumented bits + all fixes)
    - OOXML 1.1 (whatever is the outcome of Feb’s BRM)
    - Office 2009 (OOXML 1.1 + undocumented bits).

    Implementors will have to implement all 4 or will be unable to open an arbitrary document based on this thing called “OOXML”.

    Among undocumented bits : macros, macro bindings, DRM, encryption, sharepoint metadata, …

    (all this stuff could be detailed more)

  6. zeke

    >Long term, Microsoft can only benefit
    >from cooperating with the market!

    That’s pretty weak to come out with such a bold statement and not back it up.

    I’m a GPL/FLOSS guy and I believe that if Microsoft gives in to ODF, they will lose the market.

  7. Russell

    @Stephane – Thanks for the informative post. It would be great to detail it more.

    @zeke – I will have to back this up with a detailed post soon -:) I see it differently – already there are 13 countries adopting ODF, and many institutions and more coming along. MS will need to service these entities. You see the trend here with the recent BECTA report: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205602879 MS has lost credibility outside ISO in other standards areas as a result of pushing through the flawed OOXML spec. It will continue to hurt them unless they begin to support ODF.

  8. Ryan

    “I’m a GPL/FLOSS guy and I believe that if Microsoft gives in to ODF, they will lose the market.”

    I have been using FOSS for around 4 years now and I have to disagree with you on this, people want quality, that is why I choose Linux, Firefox and all the other FOSS software that I use because for me it is better than what is offered by MS.

    There are a couple of commercial applications though that are simply better than their open source alternatives. Dreamweaver is the first and MS Office is the second. If MS was to release Office for Linux I would buy it because I find it better the OpenOffice and the alternatives (spell checking, thesaurus, consistency in the user interface, speed and interoperability with things like endnote). If they chose to implement ODF as the default format I would still buy it because the product is better for me and as a bonus I could open my document anywhere!

    I don’t like Windows it doesn’t suit my needs and I’m not going to spend money on it, I would spend money on Office with ODF! I don’t want to pay for access to my documents, I wrote them, I want to pay for access to software that better helps me write them.

  9. Jose_X

    ** Monopoly and standards don’t mix **

    Check out some reasons why: http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2008011200126OPMS

  10. Jose_X

    >> If MS was to release Office for Linux I would buy it because I find it better the OpenOffice and the alternatives

    MS will release MSO on Linux when they lose their monopoly on Windows.

    Until then, they will BEG you to port good apps over TO Windows but will not port their prized apps away from Windows.

    Microsoft needs control of the OS and lowest layers to maintain all the benefits that come from monopoly control. Ultimately, when the pressure is high enough, I’d bet they’d pay you to take Windows (eg, give it away and give you advertizing money). It is the theft of the century for them to sell people Windows (just one of the benefits of having a monopoly and the platform with the alleged good apps).

  11. The Open Sourecerer

    Thanks for this article guys. It is an excellent summary of the issues at hand. I will link to it and forward it to my colleagues at Open Forum Europe.

    All the best.

    Al

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  13. Jose_X

    >> What will be the default file format of Office 14 (Office 2009)? Will it be identical to that described in Ecma-376? We don’t know, because Microsoft is not providing us with a clear roadmap. Further more, there appears to be a very real question as to whether or not MS’s covenant not to sue applies only to the current implementation, MS Office 2007, if you read the fine print. Where is Microsoft taking the world with OOXML? We just don’t know.

    See this post http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-01-05-002-26-OP-DV-0037

    I’ll quote a portion:

    *****

    http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/sta ndards/Ecma-234.htm

    It’s titled “Application Programming Interface for Windows (APIW)” (December 1995)

    Did you notice the date? Remember Windows 95?

    OK, now here is how that standard begins:

    >> The APIW Standard is a functional specification of the Microsoft Windows 3.1 application programming interface. It is based on existing implementations (including Microsoft with others) and behavior. The goal of writing this specification is to define an environment which:
    — applications written to this baseline will be portable to all implementations of the APIW Standard.
    — the interface can be enriched through open standards processes to … blah blah blah.

    Did you catch that? “..Microsoft Windows 3.1.”

    I don’t know too much more about this than what you can see for yourself. I have also heard of stories of many companies that were left hanging by Microsoft around this time. I know Windows 95 came out at this time. ETC.

    *****

    Microsoft should at least have bothered to have used someone besides the ECMA this time around.

    Business 101 dictates that when you have a monopoly, you get “bugs” that break interoperability because that strengthens your market share.

    Also, there are zillion ways to put information into files or into the opaque payload of communication protocols (out of bandwidth) to create any effect you want.

    How about this little gem of a bug (for a transfer protocol): the monopolist “erroneously” implements a flag that hints “memory is to be maximized while processing is to be maximized and delay time is to be maximized” to be the case the produces the best overall effect.

    Now, no third party client or server would ever pass this flag as a hint. Maybe the monopolist’s comments on some forum give some crazy story on when this flag might come in handy (only .00001% of the time). Basically everyone dismisses it as a quirk in the docs or a lapse on the monopolist’s part (or maybe they were being “ridiculously thorough”). But the monopolist developers “accidently” make that flag correspond to the best performance path. It’s simple to make this mistake in a language. Just create a “typo” in the macro values. It can be attributed to a late night dev session and a small oversight in QA.

    So what you still ask? Well, naturally, only when their client is communicating with their server is this best scenario achieved.. leading many to believe that MS products are superior or at least interoperate the best. And since one is already a monopoly “must have” product, guess what happens next? That’s right, a new market is conquered as customers decide that third party substitutes don’t work well with the existing monopoly product. Customers don’t care who mis-implemented the standard or has a bug (though they will suspect it was the third party). Even the third party vendor will be stumped for a while (and will waste resources looking instead of improving their product or business).

    In other words, there is plausible deniability for such a bug. Perhaps a few years later (when the monopolist used a monopoly in client to capture server market share or vice-versa using tricks like these), the fix will be posted on some errata with an explanation for the oversight.

  14. Jose_X

    The previous post had a broken link. It should be this http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-234.htm

  15. Roy Schestowitz

    Jose, you should really start an ODF/OOXML blog.

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  17. hAl

    You suggest these are questions about OOXML that can’t be answered by Microsoft duringthe BRM.
    Bit point you are totaly missing is that Micrsoft is not a party in the BRM meeting and as such cannot even comment on things in the BRM untill after it is been completed.
    The BRM is a meeting between ISO members and standardsgroup Ecma about improving the OOXML specification and not about 90% of the questions you suggest.

    Your post shows a complete lack of understanding of the standardization proces.
    I suggest you read up on the blog of the BRM convernor Alex Brown who for instance states that non comments can be handled which regards to any (reference)implementations of OOXML as that falls outside of the scope of the BRM meeting. So any of your questions about MS office are totally inappropriate for this meeting.
    http://adjb.net/

  18. Olaf

    If OOXML is actually approved by ISO then it will be the downfall of the standards organization. OOXML is simply not worthy of being an official international standard, it’s merely an XML dump of the binary Office format. Approval would also imply that all the countries with voting rights are grossly corrupt, even Western nations.

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  21. Francisco J Banos Lemoine

    Mr. Bryan. You said “…You are entitled to express your opinion. Remember a YES vote for OOXML is a vote against democracy and the freedom of choice.” You cannot tell me that I am entitled to express my opinion and a phrase later tell me that if I vote for OOXML is against the democracy and the freedom of choice. Under the name of democracy, many crimes has been committed. Don’t tell me what should I vote; show some confidence in my opinion and judgment. And by-the-way now that you care so much for “Today our society depends upon an enormous variety of software applications and easy access to information in order to function on a day-to-day basis” please send this letter to IBM so the mainframe gets easier to access.

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