Comments on: The Deprecated “Smoke Screen” of MS Office Open XML (OOXML) http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html Fanatic Attack is about entrancement, entertainment, and an enhancement of curiosity. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:15:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Water ionizer http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-1642 Water ionizer Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:55:48 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-1642 Hi, Thanks for the information,just found this post my technorati news feed section! I was searching for this since past 3 months and i am glad to see it here. Thanking you much Martin Hi,

Thanks for the information,just found this post my technorati news feed section! I was searching for this since past 3 months and i am glad to see it here. Thanking you much

Martin

]]> By: Boycott Novell » Russell Ossendryver et al Take on Microsoft’s False Promise of an ‘Open’ XML http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-214 Boycott Novell » Russell Ossendryver et al Take on Microsoft’s False Promise of an ‘Open’ XML Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:50 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-214 [...] of MS Office in an XML form. Now MS appears to have realized this and expressed the “Intent” to deprecate features in the future. Microsoft appears to think it is best to get rid of references to legacy formats and [...] [...] of MS Office in an XML form. Now MS appears to have realized this and expressed the “Intent” to deprecate features in the future. Microsoft appears to think it is best to get rid of references to legacy formats and [...]

]]> By: Robert http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-195 Robert Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:20:30 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-195 <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/28/1432220">it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/28/1432220</a> it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/28/1432220

]]> By: pablo http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-191 pablo Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:51:56 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-191 Why do we need yet another standard? Too many standards equals not having a standard at all. Why do we need yet another standard? Too many standards equals not having a standard at all.

]]> By: Moved by Freedom - Powered by Standards :: A Blog by Charles-H. Schulz » Blog Archive » Now you see me-now you don’t… http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-189 Moved by Freedom - Powered by Standards :: A Blog by Charles-H. Schulz » Blog Archive » Now you see me-now you don’t… Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:49:59 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-189 [...] Indeed, what Microsoft is actually using is at best OOXML in its first version and at worst something else, just like what Russell described. [...] [...] Indeed, what Microsoft is actually using is at best OOXML in its first version and at worst something else, just like what Russell described. [...]

]]> By: When will Microsoft learn (or will it?) « Greg Pyes blog http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-181 When will Microsoft learn (or will it?) « Greg Pyes blog Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:15:45 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-181 [...] tried to bully their way through (absolutely not what is expected in an ISO fast-track process).  This article picks the story up, noting how they are if anything making things worse as they go forward, [...] [...] tried to bully their way through (absolutely not what is expected in an ISO fast-track process).  This article picks the story up, noting how they are if anything making things worse as they go forward, [...]

]]> By: Tim Richardson http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-178 Tim Richardson Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:17:06 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-178 You end with "the culture of self-interest is not open". This is often not true. Large open source projects, like GNU/linux, have received crucial support from self-interested parties such as IBM. Open-source is not communism, it is sometimes a valid business model for profit-making firms. For individuals and small firms, contributing to open-source can also be a rational, self-interested choice. You end with “the culture of self-interest is not open”. This is often not true. Large open source projects, like GNU/linux, have received crucial support from self-interested parties such as IBM. Open-source is not communism, it is sometimes a valid business model for profit-making firms. For individuals and small firms, contributing to open-source can also be a rational, self-interested choice.

]]> By: Microsoft abandona ciertas funcionalidades de OOXML | Amephist Braindamage http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-173 Microsoft abandona ciertas funcionalidades de OOXML | Amephist Braindamage Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:23:21 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-173 [...] en su especificación Office Open XML. Ossendryver dice que esta movida es un intento de aquietar a los críticos de dicha especificación al acercarse la votación crucial de ISO en Febrero. El grupo liderado por Microsoft que que ofrece [...] [...] en su especificación Office Open XML. Ossendryver dice que esta movida es un intento de aquietar a los críticos de dicha especificación al acercarse la votación crucial de ISO en Febrero. El grupo liderado por Microsoft que que ofrece [...]

]]> By: JJMacey http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-169 JJMacey Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:52:18 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-169 Hi All, M$ has to be scrambling. They has so much to loose, but they won't win in their attempts. The world is tired of shipping plane loads of cash to Redmond. JJMacey Phoenix, Arizona Hi All,

M$ has to be scrambling. They has so much to loose, but they won’t win in their attempts. The world is tired of shipping plane loads of cash to Redmond.

JJMacey
Phoenix, Arizona

]]> By: Tracking_truth http://www.fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html/comment-page-1#comment-167 Tracking_truth Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:48:45 +0000 http://fanaticattack.com/2007/the-deprecated-smoke-screen-of-ms-office-open-xml-ooxml.html#comment-167 Marbux...why don't you get some work done with the da Vinci plug? I mean seriously, what expect FUD do you expect to create by visiting blogs and writing the exact same thing over and over again. It might be true that ODF has still not finished the work on conformance requirments. (The design choice was obviously done to settle open formula and similar things first so what the conformance requirments demand really is what finally will be used) I might also be true that CDF have conformance requirements as the first concern. Yet what you da Vinci guys keep babbling about is pure nonsense. CDF require agreement on the profile that will be used for a particular kind of documents and there are not any such profiles for office files. If somebody appear tomorrow with the perfect profile it would allow different office applications that chose to support the profile to interopt perfectly. Forcing microsoft to honor the profile if they don't really want full interoperability is how hard? Even more importantly the perfect profile itself would contain the needed information for writing down conformance requirements for ODF also. CFD does not involve anything that really makes the interoperability of office files more easy. On the other hand when ODF has reached the define-conformance-requirements step it will be pretty trivial to use CFD to allow different applications to exchange data in real time in a sharepoint like way. The turth is that the art of how to specify conformance for office like files is needed no matter what format that is used. Marbux…why don’t you get some work done with the da Vinci plug? I mean seriously, what expect FUD do you expect to create by visiting blogs and writing the exact same thing over and over again.

It might be true that ODF has still not finished the work on conformance requirments. (The design choice was obviously done to settle open formula and similar things first so what the conformance requirments demand really is what finally will be used)
I might also be true that CDF have conformance requirements as the first concern. Yet what you da Vinci guys keep babbling about is pure nonsense.

CDF require agreement on the profile that will be used for a particular kind of documents and there are not any such profiles for office files. If somebody appear tomorrow with the perfect profile it would allow different office applications that chose to support the profile to interopt perfectly. Forcing microsoft to honor the profile if they don’t really want full interoperability is how hard?

Even more importantly the perfect profile itself would contain the needed information for writing down conformance requirements for ODF also. CFD does not involve anything that really makes the interoperability of office files more easy.

On the other hand when ODF has reached the define-conformance-requirements step it will be pretty trivial to use CFD to allow different applications to exchange data in real time in a sharepoint like way. The turth is that the art of how to specify conformance for office like files is needed no matter what format that is used.

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